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Post by ZX12R on Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:55 am

MissHidalgo wrote:Goverment shortens curfew by 1 hour & offers 15 % Pay rise for public workers . Alja E

I don't know what it would amount to in Egypt, but a 15% raise is a significant increase. Trying to buy momentum for the government now.
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Re: Egypt Rolling Updates Tuesday 08 Feb

Post by Earth Cries on Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:57 am

AJE-The rest of the country is just as energized as those in the Square.
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Re: Egypt Rolling Updates Tuesday 08 Feb

Post by MissHidalgo on Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:57 am

yep .... ZX12R
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Post by Earth Cries on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:06 am

Tweet: Human Rights Watch has named 52 in Alexandria who have died in the protests
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Re: Egypt Rolling Updates Tuesday 08 Feb

Post by Aetius Romulous on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:07 am

Posted this yesterday over in the Economics thread, but it seems important enough to copy over here.....



This seems as good a place as any to post this little gem;


Military Incorporated


It turns out that once the peace deal with Israel was settled, Egypt's vast military found themselves to be warriors without a purpose. So, they went into the business of business. The military are employers of vast tracts of the population, and are owners, operators, and shareholders of an entire spectrum of businesses from resorts to restaurants to rental cars - and beyond.

Why don't the military open fire? Because its bad business to kill your employees and customers.

The NPR Planet Money Podcast above closes with a section about how Wikileaks laid all this bare with its last data dump, and has been a no go conversation until now. Diplomatic cables warn of conflicts between the military and private business which will chew away at Military profits.

My take away on this astonishing entrepreneurship is not so much that it happened (although I am quite astonished), but that I know Mubarak has been making a concerted effort to westernize the economy and open it up to western markets. This has been a tremendous boon for the fledgling middle class and elite business types, but of course, who would have dreamed it was at the expense of the military?

So, suddenly, another wrinkle; Military resents Mubarak for being to liberal and costing them millions, eventually their entire business base. Why wouldn't they want to topple the guy, and who better to do it than the people they make all their profit from? It's a win/win for the Officer Corps - as long as there is no violence that drags the rest of the world in.

Of course, democracy will also wipe out their businesses, so a compliant government that protects the Military's profit franchise is essential.

It just gets uglier and uglier for a happy ending in Egypt.

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Post by BelgianBoy on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:07 am

MissHidalgo wrote:yep .... ZX12R
Wadisda?
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Re: Egypt Rolling Updates Tuesday 08 Feb

Post by Earth Cries on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:08 am

Whoa! AJE is showing a massive traffic jam outside the crowd on the bridge. Most of the people in the cars are waiting to get into the square.
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Re: Egypt Rolling Updates Tuesday 08 Feb

Post by MissHidalgo on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:09 am

Lol Belgian Boy dat was een antwoord op ZX12R .... moest @ ZX12R zijn ! flower
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Re: Egypt Rolling Updates Tuesday 08 Feb

Post by ZX12R on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:10 am

BelgianBoy wrote:
MissHidalgo wrote:yep .... ZX12R
Wadisda?

What is ^^?
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Re: Egypt Rolling Updates Tuesday 08 Feb

Post by MissHidalgo on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:12 am

Lol my fault it had to be @ ZX12R and then Yes to confirm on your comment .... sorry !
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Re: Egypt Rolling Updates Tuesday 08 Feb

Post by louiswin on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:14 am

wow I'm glad I found this place! I had hoped Janey kept up the 'good fight'!!!!!!

Any word on babsi? I read on some things that they were rounding up people.... ugh.

But then there is hope even after scanning this the people haven't given up completly!

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Post by BelgianBoy on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:15 am

ZX12R wrote:
BelgianBoy wrote:
MissHidalgo wrote:yep .... ZX12R
Wadisda?

What is ^^?

"What is that." In very personal "dutch".
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Post by FoolOnTheHill on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:18 am

Aetius Romulous wrote:Posted this yesterday over in the Economics thread, but it seems important enough to copy over here.....



This seems as good a place as any to post this little gem;


Military Incorporated


It turns out that once the peace deal with Israel was settled, Egypt's vast military found themselves to be warriors without a purpose. So, they went into the business of business. The military are employers of vast tracts of the population, and are owners, operators, and shareholders of an entire spectrum of businesses from resorts to restaurants to rental cars - and beyond.

Why don't the military open fire? Because its bad business to kill your employees and customers.

The NPR Planet Money Podcast above closes with a section about how Wikileaks laid all this bare with its last data dump, and has been a no go conversation until now. Diplomatic cables warn of conflicts between the military and private business which will chew away at Military profits.

My take away on this astonishing entrepreneurship is not so much that it happened (although I am quite astonished), but that I know Mubarak has been making a concerted effort to westernize the economy and open it up to western markets. This has been a tremendous boon for the fledgling middle class and elite business types, but of course, who would have dreamed it was at the expense of the military?

So, suddenly, another wrinkle; Military resents Mubarak for being to liberal and costing them millions, eventually their entire business base. Why wouldn't they want to topple the guy, and who better to do it than the people they make all their profit from? It's a win/win for the Officer Corps - as long as there is no violence that drags the rest of the world in.

Of course, democracy will also wipe out their businesses, so a compliant government that protects the Military's profit franchise is essential.

It just gets uglier and uglier for a happy ending in Egypt.
Very interesting Romulous. I guess my question would be, if this is true (and it would not surprise me), don't you suppose the average Egyptian is as aware of this as they are to Mubarak's crimes? Any take on this Janey?

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Re: Egypt Rolling Updates Tuesday 08 Feb

Post by MissHidalgo on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:20 am

@Belgian Boy ...Mijn geschreven engels is niet zo up to date als mijn gesproken engels ... maar ik leer hier zeer vlug bij :-)
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Re: Egypt Rolling Updates Tuesday 08 Feb

Post by MissHidalgo on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:24 am

GLP Site Again down ...
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Re: Egypt Rolling Updates Tuesday 08 Feb

Post by louiswinthorpeIII on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:26 am

MissHidalgo wrote:GLP Site Again down ...

good riddance.

it's full of fox news MB behind every rock bullshit.

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Re: Egypt Rolling Updates Tuesday 08 Feb

Post by LewNi on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:28 am

Good Morning!(Afternoon/evening) Having a cup and gettin caught up. Glad to see everyone.

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Re: Egypt Rolling Updates Tuesday 08 Feb

Post by MissHidalgo on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:29 am

Hi Lewni flower
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Re: Egypt Rolling Updates Tuesday 08 Feb

Post by Earth Cries on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:30 am

Tweet: Famed #Egypt scientist Farouk El-Baz tells protesters to hold their ground until #Mubarak leaves.
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Re: Egypt Rolling Updates Tuesday 08 Feb

Post by butterfly girl on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:30 am

outside parliament 1,000 protestors....
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Post by Earth Cries on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:32 am

Tweet: Protest in front of Ibrahim mosque in Alexandria full of people & smiles
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Post by Earth Cries on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:33 am

Janey, heard anything about a directive to the Army to arrest Mubarak? Saw it on a tweet.
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Re: Egypt Rolling Updates Tuesday 08 Feb

Post by louiswinthorpeIII on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:35 am

[quote="Earth Cries"]Janey, heard anything about a directive to the Army to arrest Mubarak? Saw it on a tweet.[/quote

sounds too good to be true...

but one can hope.

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Re: Egypt Rolling Updates Tuesday 08 Feb

Post by Earth Cries on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:37 am

[quote="louiswinthorpeIII"]
Earth Cries wrote:Janey, heard anything about a directive to the Army to arrest Mubarak? Saw it on a tweet.[/quote

sounds too good to be true...

but one can hope.

Yes, it does. So many rumors going around. Hope it is true!
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Re: Egypt Rolling Updates Tuesday 08 Feb

Post by Janey on Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:37 am

Earth Cries wrote:Janey, heard anything about a directive to the Army to arrest Mubarak? Saw it on a tweet.

funnily enough, I have just been on the phone on that very subject. There are still an awful lot tanks gathering that don't seem aimed at protesters and other events in the region that make this seem like a real possibility.

The US are certainly trying their leverage with the army to take the reigns right now

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